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New Study Finds Lyme Bacteria Survive a 28-day Course of Antibiotics When Treated Four Months After Infection by Tick Bite

All subjects treated with antibiotics were found to have some level of infection 7–12 months post treatment.Despite testing negative by antibody tests for Lyme disease, two of 10 subjects were still infected with Lyme bacteria in heart and bladder. Lyme bacteria which persist are still viable.

Portola Valley, California, Dec. 13, 2017—Bay Area Lyme Foundation, a leading sponsor of Lyme disease research in the US, today announced results of two papers published in the peer-reviewed journals PLOS ONE and American Journal of Pathology, that seem to support claims of lingering symptoms reported by many patients who have already received antibiotic treatment for the disease.

Based on a single, extensive study of Lyme disease designed by Tulane University researchers, the study employed multiple methods to evaluate the presence of Borrelia burgdorferi spirochetes, the bacteria that cause Lyme disease, before and after antibiotic treatment in primates.  The study also measured the antibody immune response to the bacteria both pre- and post- treatment, as this is how current diagnostics typically evaluate Lyme disease in humans.

The data show that living B. burgdorferi spirochetes were found in ticks that fed upon the primates and in multiple organs after treatment with 28 days of oral doxycycline.  The results also indicated that the immune response to the bacteria varied widely in both treated and untreated subjects.

It is apparent from these data that B. burgdorferi bacteria, which have had time to adapt to their host, have the ability to escape immune recognition, tolerate the antibiotic doxycycline and invade vital organs such as the brain and heart, said lead author Monica Embers, PhD, assistant professor of microbiology and immunology at Tulane University School of Medicine.

In this study, we were able to observe the existence of microscopic disease and low numbers of bacteria, which would be difficult to see in humans but could possibly be the cause of the variable and nonspecific symptoms that are characteristic of post-treatment Lyme disease syndrome. Although current antibiotic regimens may cure most patients who are treated early, if the infection is allowed to progress, the 28-day treatment may be insufficient, based on these findings, Embers said.

The findings also demonstrated:

  • All subjects treated with antibiotics were found to have some level of infection 7-12 months post treatment.
  • Despite testing negative by antibody tests for Lyme disease, two of 10 subjects were still infected with Lyme bacteria in heart and bladder.
  • Lyme bacteria which persist are still viable.

To better elucidate previous animal studies demonstrating that some B. burgdorferi bacteria survive antibiotics, the study explored Lyme disease infection in rhesus macaque primates treated with antibiotics and a control group who were also infected but not treated. This species has been shown to demonstrate a progression of Lyme disease most similar to humans, particularly related to erythema migrans, carditis, arthritis, and neuropathy of the peripheral and central nervous systems.

Clearly, some medical practices governing diagnosis and treatment of Lyme disease should be reconsidered in light of this study. This study shows that we must reevaluate the current paradigm of antibody response tests for diagnosis and move away from the one size fits all approach to Lyme treatment, said Wendy Adams, Research Grant Director, Bay Area Lyme Foundation. Every day, patients with Lyme disease are told their symptoms cannot be caused by Lyme, because they test negative on antibody tests or because they have received a single course of antibiotics. More research and funding are imperative.

In the study, ticks carrying B. burgdorferi spirochetes fed on ten primates. Four months post infection, half of the primates (five) received the antibiotic doxycycline orally for 28 days at a proportional dose to that used in human treatment.  Five subjects were treated with placebo and all ten were evaluated by more than five different diagnostic methods to characterize any remaining infection. The researchers used several important techniques, including xenodiagnoses, to determine if the spirochete bacteria persisted.

The results show:

  • Few subjects displayed a rash. Although all subjects were infected, only one of the 10 displayed a rash with central clearing, the classical bulls-eye rash. The subject that developed this rash, interestingly, never mounted an immune response to five borrelia antigens throughout the study period, prior to and following treatment.
  • Organs may be infected even if antibody tests are negative. One subject which tested negative for B. burgdorferi by skin biopsy cultures, PCR and in vivo cultures, was found to have B. burgdorferi infecting the heart. Another untreated subject, who was ultimately shown to have residual Lyme bacteria in the bladder, showed a decrease in immune response over the course of infection, with a negative xenodiagnosis test in the late stage, which would signal that the animal self-cured.
  • Intact spirochetes were found in three of five treated and four of five untreated subjects based on xenodiagnosis results 12 months after the tick bite.
  • Immune responses to B. burgdorferi varied greatly post-treatment, with one subjects antibody levels dropping to pre-bite levels for three antigens while another subject experienced elevated antibodies for the same antigens throughout the study period. This is significant because it demonstrates that subjects infected with the same strain of B. burgdorferi may have different immune responses to the same antigen. And, because humans, like primates, are genetically diverse, it underscores that testing antibody responses may be inherently unreliable as a singular diagnostic modality for Lyme disease.
  • Widespread and variable microscopic disease was observed in all infected subjects, despite antibiotic treatment.  Compared to uninfected subjects of the same age, infected subjects in this study (treated and untreated) demonstrated Inflammation in and around the heart, in skeletal muscles, joints, and the protective sheath that covers the brain, and near peripheral nerves.
  • Rare, but intact B. burgdorferi spirochetes were found in the tissues of both the treated and untreated subjects. In two subjects treated with doxycycline, multiple Lyme bacteria were observed in the brain tissue. Others organs in which the spirochetes were observed included the heart, joints, bladder, skeletal muscle and adjacent to peripheral nerves.

About Lyme disease
One of the most common infectious diseases in the country, Lyme disease is a potentially disabling infection caused by bacteria transmitted through the bite of an infected tick to people and pets. If caught early, most cases of Lyme disease can be effectively treated, but it is commonly misdiagnosed due to lack of awareness and unreliable diagnostic tests. There are about 329,000 new cases of Lyme disease each year, according to statistics released in 2015 by the CDC. As a result of the difficulty in diagnosing and treating Lyme disease, as many as one million Americans may be suffering from the impact of its debilitating long-term symptoms and complications, according to Bay Area Lyme Foundation estimates.

About Bay Area Lyme Foundation
Bay Area Lyme Foundation, a national organization committed to making Lyme disease easy to diagnose and simple to cure, is the leading public foundation sponsor of innovative Lyme disease research in the US. A 501c3 non-profit organization based in Silicon Valley, Bay Area Lyme collaborates with world-class scientists and institutions to accelerate medical breakthroughs for Lyme disease. It is also dedicated to providing reliable, fact-based information so that prevention and the importance of early treatment are common knowledge. A pivotal donation from The LaureL STEM Fund covers all overhead costs and allows for 100% of all donor contributions to Bay Area Lyme Foundation to go directly to research and prevention programs. For more information about Lyme disease or to get involved, visit or call us at 650-530-2439.

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49 Comments on “New Study Finds Lyme Bacteria Survive a 28-day Course of Antibiotics When Treated Four Months After Infection by Tick Bite

  1. Dan and others taking Elderberry, you may wish to check out Wyldewood Cellars in Kansas for their sugar-free 12 ounce pure concentrate. They ship. I think it is way better than Sambucol which has a sugary syrup in it and alcohol (I think) in their sugar-free version. Here is a link Thank you for the Florastor recommendation, I’m going to try.

  2. From all those who have commented or from Bay Area Lyme… does anyone know the dosages for Polygonum Cuspidatum Resveratrol and Ghanaian Quinine for Lyme from the February 2020 study: Evaluation of Natural and Botanical Medicines for Activity Against Growing and Non-growing Forms of B. burgdorferi, Jie Feng, et al? 7 natural extracts were at least as effective as the pharmaceutical antibiotics doxycycline and cefuroxime.
    • Cryptolepis sanguinolenta (Ghanaian quinine)
    • Juglans nigra (Black walnut)
    • Polygonum cuspidatum (Japanese knotweed)
    • Artemisia annua (Sweet wormwood)
    • Uncaria tomentosa (Cat’s claw)
    • Cistus incanus (Rock Rose – evergreen shrub with grey-green leaves and pink-purple flowers found mostly in the dry arid Mediterranean region)
    • Scutellaria baicalensis (Chinese skullcap).

    The the top two active herbs, Cryptolepis sanguinolenta (Ghanaian Quiine) and Polygonum cuspidatum (Resveratrol), showed strong activity against both growing B. burgdorferi (MIC = 0.03–0.06% and 0.25–0.5%, respectively) and non-growing stationary phase B. burgdorferi. In subculture studies, only 1% Cryptolepis sanguinolenta extract caused complete eradication, while doxycycline and cefuroxime and other active herbs could not eradicate B. burgdorferi stationary phase cells as many spirochetes were visible after 21-day subculture.

    Does anyone know the correct dosages for any or all of these herbs, espcially the top 2: Resveratrol from Polygonum Cuspidatum and Cryptolepis sanguinolenta (Ghanaian quinine) (although I cannot take Quinine, so some of the others herb dosages would be helpful for me.

    Thanks so much!

    1. Thanks for your comment. We don’t have any dosage information, but know that Stephen Buhner’s books are great resource. Herbal Antibiotics one is very good and it has detailed dosing and combo information. Full title is “Herbal Antibiotics: Natural Alternatives for Treating Drug-Resistant Bacteria”

    2. Thanks, Katie. I have Stephen Buhner’s books, including his book on Lyme, but I was looking for the dosages of the herbs used in the study. I didn’t know if someone might have that information. Thank you though!

    3. Because the herbs were tested in the lab, in vitro, and not on humans or other animals, it’s unlikely there’s any way to estimate a dosage. One option would be to look at the human dosages for these herbs for other conditions.

  3. Problem=solution. When solution don’t work, go back to problem. Problem ??? When the problem is the problem and solution is seemingly illusory, go back to the solution. Therefore problem is illusory. And so neither exist. And that is whereby both solution and problem become evident. To not exist, because if problem arises, then solution already must exist. And, if no solution is evident then problem becomes an illusory mechanism to expedite the problem. Have a nice day!

  4. I never got bit by a tick though I spent many hours in the woods. I found a couple on me during that time but was never bit. I got sick after a flea infestation while visiting my daughter in Washington state. I went to emergency because I felt like I could not get my breath and afterwards the itching and the biting. What if anything are they doing about the fact that all the blood suckers have the same virus they are spreading? If there’s a million with Lyme, there are ten million with Morgellons, the disease of those who got bit and did not know it was fatal.

  5. I too spend a lot of time outdoors. I own 2 dogs and they love hiking the trails here in CT. I removed a tick in May 2018 and immediately began 2 weeks of doxycycline and was not tested. In July 2018, I began to feel as though my legs tired easily but attributed this to my age (61) and my job which required me to be on my feet for 8 hrs. It progressed to my left leg being affected worse than the right. In October, I had a CT scan of my head which was normal and blood work including ELISA. All were negative except for elevated creatine kinase. An MRI of my brain was normal and a lumbar MRI was non specific.

    I don’t understand these lyme tests and bands. I have since had 2 other tests for Lyme by 2 different labs with different resulting IgG bands with some that overlapped. On the latest, my MD asked if I wanted to be treated even though the test was technically negative. (6 IgG bands and 1IgM band positive). I of course said yes. So now I have completed the antibiotic and can’t say my neuro symptoms had cleared, but they didn’t get worse. Now since completing treatment neurologically I am worse. I also now gave back pain. I feel light-headed all of the time and developing weakness in my arms as well as thighs. I have been to a neurologist who did an EMG and has now referred me to a hospital to rule out ALS! This scares me to no end. Not sure if I should mention Lyme disease since most docs scoff at the suggestion of that as a possibility.

    1. Always mention Lymne disease to your doctor. Be your own advocate and push them a bit! Not all doctors are the same of course and do not hesitate to speak up for yourself!

    2. My western blot and Elisa came back negative with Quest Labs. My Rocky Mountain Spotted fever tested negative with Quest. But positive with Lab Corp. Rocphin IV helped for a while.

    3. Query Lyme with the doctors. Many doctors don’t know what to do about Lyme because later Lyme or persistent Lyme or also referred to as chronic Lyme has not been acceptably proven, in official terms. There is a lot of research to be done and individual doctors typically know nothing, which maybe isn’t their faults. They’re stuck between a rock and a hard place. The rock is the scary, indefinable world of niche private doctors with greatly greatly varying ideas and treatments (often unsuccessful, with worsening patients) about later Lyme for different reasons. It’s also the world of dubious blood tests — all of which, including Western state-backed models, may be tossing coins — and there is always the worry of the firms charging very high test prices being cowboys.

      The hard place is the mainstream medical establishment which doesn’t recognise or at least know definitely about later Lyme. In a way it can be very relevant to an old issue, where some doctors would want to call later Lyme “Post Lyme Syndrome” and compare it to suspected but unknown and possibly widely varying umbrella tags, such as “Post Malarial Syndrome”. Really there might well be a large number of post-infection, post-viral and post-disease syndromes, which are very much not understood
      Already with SARS-2, there is the post viral syndrome with neurological symptoms which can be quite severe in a small fraction of patients.

      I don’t know what the answer is about later Lyme myself, and there may be applicable numerous answers, depending on the case. But I am saying all of this just to give you a flavour of the position of many doctors, who are between a rock and a hard place, aren’t trained at medical school how to deal with this, and can’t do the research themselves as they’ve chosen to be in a consulting room. They need to be guided, but no one is telling them what to do and research in this area is very slow.

      I say it ought to be realised that many doctors, with their Hippocratic oaths and fear of causing harm and possible litigation for treating an illness they themselves cannot confirm exists, do very much feel stuck.

      There’s no reason for doctors to be aggressive or dismissive to patients who consider later Lyme the probable cause of their conditions. But for the patient, realising doctors can be that way can help chart a course through discussing the L word with their doctor.

      I recall in a Lyme group, no doubt full of neuro cognitive sufferers, a very serious symptom of whatever the problem is, later Lyme, other infections, post infection syndrome, and so on – trying to present evidence of Borrelia being killed and asking for prescriptions. What they didn’t make so clear to the newer people was that the ‘evidence’ showed bacteria was killed in a petri dish or test tube and there is no way a doctor can prescribe ethically and professionally anything on that basis.

      So I suggest you realise that people saying they are suffering from later Lyme, even the most knowledgeable seeming and most activist, have cognitive impairment, perhaps very seriously. Remember that doctors have often experienced this before and have experienced the activist mindset which makes mistakes.

      It is trying for them when the doctor himself or herself is in a quandary and trying to weigh questions of post-infection syndrome and the possibility of persistent Lyme in a minority of patients, all by themselves. Do think back to how the various niche LLMDs take so many different approaches which means that there is no coherent mean of suggestions for any standard doctor wanting to help.

  6. I am based in the UK and I used to regularly go walking in a large park and woodland area populated with a significant number of deer. On a hot day, we would regularly visit the area and I would take off my shirt. I can’t say exactly when I discovered the rash but it was back in the year 2008. At that time, I saw my doctor and she diagnosed me with a fungal infection and I was given treatment for that. The rash eventually disappeared and I thought nothing of it. Since then, I have experienced periods of depression and horrific anxiety, heart palpitations, muscle spasms in my legs, eye inflammation, fatigue, brain fog, shortness of breath, inflammation of the skin on my right hand and the worst of all, irritable bladder which has totally disrupted my life.

    Having read a lot about Lyme, I went to a different doctor in 2016 and was tested and the results showed that I had an immune response to the Lyme bacteria. I’m convinced that all my symptoms are related to Lyme but I have no idea what to do about it. Doctors in the UK don’t really want to know if you mention Lyme and they certainly don’t want to over prescribe antibiotics. I haven’t tried alternative treatments or the diets. Perhaps I should.

    1. Dear Seb, It can be challenging and frustrating navigating this illness. We do strongly recommend you stay vigilant and persistent in seeking out appropriate care. Two options you might consider would be the International Lyme and Associated Diseases Society — they have a physician directory that can help you navigate to knowledgeable care providers in the UK. Another option would the Caudwell LymeCo Charity which was founded by British entrepreneur John Caudwell and is devoted to fighting Lyme and associated diseases. They also have a patient help desk feature where you may be able to inquire about additional resources and referrals. We wish you the very best.

    2. Get yourself onto the FB site LDUK (Lyme disease UK). Write about your symptoms. There will be plenty of people on the site who can offer advice. You must have Lyme disease to be on it. My Lyme disease is almost gone but it has taken nearly 4 years. My regime was mostly herbal as antibiotics are simply the first step. The Lyme bacteria are stealth microbes which change shape once under attack and then hide within a biofilm so that the body is unaware they are there. Recovery is a long and disciplined process and by the end of it you will know more than your GP.

    3. Contact Napier’s herbal Lyme clinic in Bathgate. They research and collaborate with the best people in the field. I’m currently being treated by them after a similar situation to your own. You don’t have to travel to Bathgate either, they consult online or over the phone and post prescriptions.

  7. I believe I have been suffering from Lyme since childhood, 20+ years now. I began having vague symptoms after I found a tick on the right side of my neck at a 4th grade school camping trip. My eye on the same side became slightly swollen off and on. The fatigue and depression was pretty bad starting a year or 2 after this. It was written off as hormonal.

    My once friend-filled life became lonely and isolated. I was diagnosed with H. Pylori at age 12. I went through puberty extremely late. It seemed abnormal. I didn’t experience menstruation until I was 15. I had deep bone and joint pain in my legs but it was written off as “growing pains.” I suffered crying jags for no reason whatsoever. I have had extreme anemia since very shortly after the bite as well.

    I still can’t get it under control and have received blood transfusions. My hemoglobin was 6.2!! I developed really bad anxiety in my late teens that evolved into atypical OCD. I have been struggling to complete my nursing license as my energy levels and ability to concentrate fluctuate rapidly and widely, along with many debilitating but vague symptoms. I feel like my IQ fluctuates as well. I have recently been getting vascular pains in the main arteries and my doctor heard a murmur. I am experiencing neuropathy that is worse on the right side but is now present on both sides. My feet and hands will turn a light purple with my nails sometimes turning gray. I recently have been experiencing formication; this is quite disturbing. I have also noticed a black tinted biofilm when I use a white washcloth in the shower. I shower very frequently so it’s not that I’m dirty. I have a few lesions that heal and then months later become active again in the same exact location. My eye sockets sometimes ache and the affected eye will tear for hours sometimes. I get brow pains and pulsing in my temple area.

    I have seen so many specialists and no one seems to be able to give me any answers. I asked my PCP specifically to test me for Lyme and she said she would but then brushed it off. I’m afraid to be too pushy and be viewed as combative or hysterical as I do have a history of mental health problems(ocd/depression).

    It seems like my life is just passing me by and I never feel well enough to enjoy practically anything. And I really do try! I am a very rational person. I just want to be well again and experience a real life for once. I don’t know where to turn. I don’t have the funds for treatment that isn’t covered by my insurance and I’m finding it extremely difficult to increase my earnings as I am not well enough to perform the tasks required to do so. I’m stuck and frustrated and scared.

    1. I feel like I wrote that myself but I was DX finally in Nov 18. It’s hell cuz the drs in my area are not Lyme literate so I suffer. Have u tried any herbal supplements? Changed ur diet? (No gluten sugar or dairy) Go to an infectious disease Dr…good luck

    2. Unfortunately, testing patients for Lyme has been (in my experience) something doctors are not wonting to do. Even when I’ve walk[ed] in the office with a deer tick still attached, or brought it in a baggie after detaching it myself, the tick has never been tested and doctors never want to prescribe a blood test for me. Something about “the test having false positives” or something, they always say. Additionally, antibiotics are rarely prescribed (because they are “overprescribed”) even if I explain that my joint pain feels worse or I have a fever. On top of that, they only want to prescribe antibiotics for a very limited duration.

      In my field (wildlife biology), there is not a graduate student in our department who DOES NOT have Lyme disease. I get upwards of 5 deer ticks on me a season. Has any doctor ever run a test? Nope. Prescribed antibiotics to treat Lyme arthritis? Even bigger nope. So I did my own research and bought a box of bulk doxycycline. Now whenever I find a tick (I did this morning), I can take the course and don’t have to pay $45 copay to visit my PCP with a live tick in a baggie only to have them say, “I don’t see a red spot. You don’t have a fever. I think you’re okay. Call us if you get a fever.”

      When doctors ask, “Do your joints hurt any more than normal?” I have to say not more than normal. However, what they don’t realize is that every morning I wake up shuffling like an 88-year-old woman and I have already been diagnosed with arthritis in my knees and back. I have an appointment with a rheumatologist in a couple of weeks and hopefully, they will be more accommodating to test me for this.

      Doctors need to wake up to the number of people who work outdoors often. Some of us regularly hike, walk off trail, do yard work and garden near forest edges where deer abound, pull invasive species on property lines, birdwatch in remote areas, and are surrounded by wildlife. Tests should absolutely be given whenever a patient presents as having been bitten. A round of treatment for Lyme need to be standard. Because it’s not, I am quite sure I have Lyme even though no one will test me! I can’t work full days because of back pain, for instance.

    3. This is what you do ..take short bursts of doxycycline for ten days with sambucol elderberry syrup but don’t follow the directions on the bottle for the elderberry. Drink a whole bottle by SLOWLY sipping it here and there but finishing it off in one day. Then do 2 more 4 oz bottles for another 2 days. Also take florastor or a probiotic yeast like Jarrows Formula. I did all this and kicked Lyme’s ass. lol. My energy level skyrocketed and sense of well being is through the ROOF whereas before I did this [treatment], fatigue plagued me every day. OH, ALSO BE AWARE THE CO-INFECTIONS FROM A TICK BITE CAN BE DEADLY, LIKE ANAPLASMOSIS WHICH I AM TREATING NOW.

    4. This is what you do ..take short bursts of doxycycline for ten days with sambucol elderberry syrup but don’t follow the directions on the bottle for the elderberry. Drink a whole bottle by SLOWLY sipping it here and there but finishing it off in one day, then do 2 more 4 oz bottles for another 2 days. Also take florastor or a probiotic yeast like Jarrows Formula. I did all this and kicked Lyme’s ass lol. My energy level skyrocketed and sense of well being is through the ROOF whereas before I did this fatigue plagued me every day. OHH ALSO BE AWARE THE CO-INFECTIONS FROM A TICK BITE CAN BE DEADLY LIKE ANAPLASMOSIS WHICH I AM TREATING NOW.

    5. Hey…I’m a Lyme patiënt from The Netherlands…..I’ve had it for sooo long. Couldn’t tolerate the antibiotics at first since I also had an accident…Tried herbals for years, didn’t work at all…. I had heart problems, eye infections, and vision problems, pain, dizzy spells, seizures, etc., etc.. And I was never sure if it was my accident or Lyme causing it, even though a lot of antibodies were found…..It could be both.

      Doctors here don’t treat Lyme so I finally decided to try colloidal silver. I only had colloidal silver 10 ppm and oh miracle! It worked for me.. I’ve been taking a vieuw spoons a day (big spoons) for one year and I’m 90 percent better…. It really really works for me. It’s as if the bacteria is not getting resistant to it and I can keep taking it.. Sometimes I stop for some days or a week and do a detox with bentonite or zeolite…. It works.. You might want to try it. I can’t tell you the best strength, but for me even the lightest of colloidal silver worked….as long as the particles are small enough…

      I buy it with meditech Europe, liters at once and not the commercial small bottles since I have a liter for the price of a small bottle there…It hardly costs me anything. I think a liter for 10 euros! Good luck.

  8. This makes sense! GOOD WORK!!!
    5 years ago I got the bullseye rash on the back of my knee after camping in Wisconsin. A doctor gave me 30 days of amoxicillin. I was breastfeeding my baby at the time. I had typical issues: migraines, eye inflammation, insomnia, anxiety, FATIGUE etc. They seemed to worsen after antibiotics, including chest pain and shortness of breath, which I am still plagued with 5 years later. I also have heart arrhythmias and skipped beats. I have had heart scans that show no reason for the heart electrical problems. Have been dismissed by doctors so now gave up trying to find help as it costs too much. I just hang on to hope my body will heal itself eventually. After 5 years tho, it concerns me, especially the heart stuff. I am an otherwise healthy 40-year-old woman. I eat healthy, do mild exercise (helps a lot), and would like to have my vitality back.

    What happens to the monkeys? Do they go on to live normal lives even with the persistent infections or does it damage the organs beyond repair?

    Thank you for your research!

    1. I have had all sorts of strange problems but they clear and after a few months another strange problem comes along. I had the bullseye bite.

    2. Most likely you got co-infections from the tick bite. Antibiotics will not treat parasites. Take Florastor or Jarrows Formula. It’s a probiotic yeast that will kill the parasites. Also take Sambucol Elderberry Syrup. Do not use a generic on the Elderberry as Sambucol is pharmaceutical grade. Drink 4 ounce bottle slowly throughout a 20-hour period and do this with 2 more bottles for 2 more days and you should be in great shape. Repeat as needed.

  9. I do not know how long I have had Lyme disease never had bullseye rash, but when my knee swelled up like a balloon I tested positive for Lyme disease. This was after being told by 2 emergency room physicians that it was arthritis (“ice it”). After being on doxy twice and knee re-swelling and then bursitis in elbow (Lyme disease). Went to Lyme literate doctor. What a joke. Was on 3 different antibiotics and magnesium injections and B12 injections. After 1 year did not feel any better. My bank account was empty about 2000 dollars per month for visits insurance would not cover. When my money was gone, he did not want to see me anymore. Be VERY careful with “Lyme literate” doctors.

    1. You should try a dual tincture of Japanese knotweed. It’s the only herb that can pass the blood brain barrier. I treated my paralyzed Lyme diseased dog to 100% with no antibiotics. I also put him on my 13 medicinal mushroom immunity tincture so his body can fight it too. I use hooftinder polypore in this which also is good in Lyme treatment. My email if you want research.

    2. I agree with the Japanese Knotweed. I have used it for years to help with my Lyme symptoms. Stephen Buehner has a book that has been invaluable to me–“Healing Lyme.” His protocol is changing lives. I am again “Lyme-positive” nine years after my initial infection. It may never leave us, but we can live healthy lives free of symptoms. I am back on the protocol.

  10. About 3 months ago I believe I contracted Lyme disease while visiting in Massachusetts, where I previously lived and where I contracted Lyme disease on three other occasions and was treated early because of the typical Lyme bullseye rash. This time, I missed seeing a rash but began to have symptoms about two months ago. Headaches, fatigue, and severe brain fog have been constant. Joint pain comes and goes. I haven’t noticed any heart issues. I have multiple autoimmune issues, however. I had been doing exceptionally well right before the symptoms started, I finally convinced a doctor in my new home, Mississippi, to test me. It came back negative, with exactly the same “equivocal” result I always have, not exactly negative, but not positive, and I have not been treated and won’t be, unlike in Mass., where they go ahead and treat based on the rash and symptoms. It will take months to get an appointment in Boston but that is my next course of action. In the meantime, I am treating myself with grapefruit seed extract, and hoping I am not causing myself harm.

    1. If you didn’t get an appointment yet for treatment, download Doctor On Demand app. It’s an online urgent care. You can find a MD specialist from a state that knows about Lyme who can diagnose you and help get you your doxycycline immediately. You don’t have to wait.

      I’m from south Florida and I had the same thing happen. The doctor down here called it a “spider bite.” That “spider bite” took me for a hell of a ride just like you. Because it was not a spider bite, it was a classic tick bite with bullseye rash and I got Lyme. Thankfully I took a picture of it, and a doctor who was from a state that knows about Lyme said that it was a classic Lyme rash. Too bad I got this far into it.

      Been on Doxycycline for 10 days now and will be until 28 days. Still going through symptoms like you, but it is getting much better with antibiotics. I’m sorry there is so much ignorance regarding this [disease] in certain states.

  11. 6 weeks ago I got the bulls-eye rash, but with no other symptoms. Went to the doctor who said it looks like a spider bite and sent me home empty handed. Last week, I went back to the doctor for a strange itchy skin rash spreading over all my body. He prescribed Doxycycline. That night I started feeling sick, and was admitted to the hospital with fever and a spreading, intensifying rash. All tests came back negative, but the ID doctor diagnosed Lyme due to a picture I had of the bulls-eye rash. He prescribed a 2 weeks of Doxy of which I convinced him to do 4 weeks. It’s been a week now and I have developed joint pain, days after already being on Doxyccycline. Maybe its the Herzing effect, or maybe the bacteria is still disseminating. My understanding is that Doxy doesn’t kill the bacteria, it prevents growth.

    Here is what I don’t understand. If Amoxicillin kills bacteria and Doxycycline prevents growth of new bacteria, and Lyme has a lifespan of 28 days then why not use Amoxicillin to kill the bacteria, instead of letting them disseminate further into the body where can morph into cysts or hide in biofilms and reproduce there? I am not a scientist or microbiologist, but its seems like a reasonable thought.

    1. Pat,
      I am family practice physician and I have encountered a number of Lyme-infected patients. As I am learning more about Lyme disease on a weekly basis, when I encounter a patient with a recent tick bite or the signs of Lyme disease, I use 3-f medications at a time; doxycycline I feel should never be used as a standalone drug. While helpful, it just isn’t strong enough. I combine doxy with rifampin and bactrim as they are bilfilm busters and the triple antibiotic treatment has a better chance of destroying Lyme. I will admit sometimes use of these meds for two months may need to happen. Good luck with your treatment.

    2. Hi Pat.

      I developed a rash for what looked like a spider bite around the same time frame you did. How did it go with your doxycycline? Did you end up adding something else to your treatment.

      I’m on day 8/10 of my doxycycline and would love to learn from your experience on what the best next step is.

  12. I found an engorged deer tick on my back. My skin had an immediate response to the bite upon removal, swelling up and blistering, and a rash quickly formed, though not in the style of a bullseye. I immediately went to the doctor the day after the bite and was put on 3 weeks of 100mg of doxycycline. Interestingly, I was already on 10 days of doxy and was ending that round when I found the tick bc I had a cellulitis on my leg. So the three weeks is an extension of that 10 days for a total of 31 days. My question, if the tick did have Lyme and could transfer it to me, what are the odds that I would get Lyme being on doxy at the time of transmission and then staying on it for another 21 days? I have been experiencing symptoms like headache, loss of appetite and nausea but that could be bc of the doxy or even all of this anxiety that I may have gotten Lyme disease.

    1. Hi Shannon, Unfortunately we are not a clinical organization and cannot comment on individual cases. We would advise you to continue to monitor your symptoms and to consult with your physician. Best wishes.

  13. I’m curious since you mentioned Borrelia don’t like high oxygen environments is ozone therapy considered an effective treatment?

    1. Thank you for your question. Because Bay Area Lyme is not a clinical organization, we do not opine on specific treatments or appropriate therapy. Ozone therapy is one of several alternative treatment protocols that has advocates but we are not aware of any definitive scientific research validating its effectiveness against Lyme as of this time. There are numerous testimonials and enthusiastic proponents who champion the promise of these treatments both for the regenerative and antimicrobial effects and there is a history of use in many other countries outside of the US but you are best advised to speak with your health care provider or clinician for more advice about the relevance of such an approach. Best wishes

    1. Thanks for your question.

      Quoting from the PLOS One article:

      “Persistence of B. burgdorferi was evaluated using xenodiagnosis, bioassays in mice, multiple methods of molecular detection, immunostaining with polyclonal and monoclonal antibodies and an in vivo culture system. Our results demonstrate host-dependent signs of infection and variation in antibody responses. In addition, we observed evidence of persistent, intact, metabolically-active B. burgdorferi after antibiotic treatment of disseminated infection and showed that persistence may not be reflected by maintenance of specific antibody production by the host.”

  14. I am 82 years old man with relatively good health.Last year my dr. ordered MRI of the brain for hormone deficiency. Just two days after that test, I started having running nose and mucus on my chest which never went away. My PCP after 6-month suffering ordered a blood test which came back positive for Lyme. I am not an outdoor person.

    After I took 28 days of Doxy antibiotic I saw no difference in my condition. Then she ordered Amoxy 500 Mg for 10 days and still suffering from a running nose and hoarse voice. Please advise me what I have to do. I am suffering from an allergy syndrome which my PCP thinks it is related to Lyme disease.

    1. Unfortunately Bay Area Lyme is not a clinical organization so can not advise patients individually but we would strongly encourage you to continue to consult your physician. Unfortunately you need to self-advocate. An entrenched Lyme infection can be challenging to fight. You may want to consider a specialist who is familiar with Lyme disease and can find local referrals in your area on the ILADS physician directory service. So sorry to hear of your suffering. We hope you find help and relief soon.

  15. I was bit[ten] by a tick with Lyme 2 years ago and had the tell-tale bullseye rash. First, I got really sick like the flu with extreme neck stiffness and joint and muscular pain. Then my husband found the rash on my back, thankfully. Grant it, if I remember correctly, I hit only some markers on the Elisa but I was tested early within the first few weeks. By the way, the NP who saw me for an urgent appointment classified the rash as Focal Cellulitis (showing how little our new age health care system teaches about the disease). Regardless, I talked to her about the knowledge I have on Lyme since I am an avid outdoors person and she was willing to give me doxicycline (sp?) for 28 days. Now, two years later, the little buggers have come back full force with no known ‘new’ tick bite or rash.

    I have an excellent primary care doctor who knows I don’t mess around when I complain of pain or symptoms and he values my opinion as I work in health care as well. He tested me for Lyme, both Elisa and Western Blot, and both came back positive (WB for iGg and IGm). I was diagnosed with late stage Lyme – neurological issues, joint issues, and am now having heart symptoms. I am worried.

    Anyhow, my point being, he consulted with an infectious disease doctor and I saw a neurologist and all agree I need four weeks intravenous antibiotics, then reassess. It’s been about a week with no insurance approval that I am aware of – if so I would have received the call to insert the PICC line. I did have a lumbar puncture so maybe they want those results first. Insurances can be a pain in every facet of illness these days. I hope I don’t have to fight this, for we all are in agreement that the longer we wait the more the damage will be. Maybe I am being prematurely worried though. But it breaks my heart to hear others stories with Lyme and how insurance won’t cover treatment. It is the toughest thing I have ever endured (or close to it) having to get myself up and to work everyday so I can keep my insurance. I am hopeful IV antibiotics do the trick.. this time. Which brings up another issue – the controversy is apparent of whether the healthcare field sees this as a ‘new infection’ or the same infection that didn’t get eradicated the first time and went dormant until now. All the while doing damage possibly. I believe the latter. I know myself and it explains the longer term damage. Why won’t the CDC develop further research on this before it becomes an epidemic? I know it is expensive but this gal’s tax-paying bottom would like a better excuse than that. Especially since insurances follow guidelines set by the CDC. My prayers to all those affected.

    1. Hi. I was just bitten by a deer tick in May. It was like the end of the first week and I had a welt from the bite so I went to the ER and they were packed and so I figured I’d try the urgent care. Well, they saw I had a bullseye on my back and it was right behind my heart. I took the doxycycline for three weeks and it seemed like it wasn’t doing anything and I was getting chest pains of and on so I went back and they gave me an EKG x-ray of my heart and blood test. Said i was clean, I figured it was normal.

      I had real bad chest pain three days ago went to the ER. They are so stupid sorry their good-for-somethings. They ran all the tests again and before I went in I ate like three whole garlic — total of I would say 20 cloves — and my chest pain was going away at the ER because they didn’t give me anything. What ever happened to caring for people and helping them? We only have god to help us now ’cause its all about the money, but I’ve been eating garlic for three days now and my pains went away. I’ve been reading up on Lyme and people doing garlic and getting rid of it so it’s up to you but that’s what I did.

      Hope you get better.

  16. Thanks for your work with Lyme disease. I was first tested in 2003 because I had a circular rash on my leg. The result was negative for Lyme. In 2012, I had another rash on my leg and this time the result was an 8 on the Western Blot test for Lyme AB. I took doxy for 4 days and couldn’t tolerate the nausea so I took amoxycycline. In 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, the test result was about .5. My doctors tell me that I will always have this in my system, but I can’t blame my symptoms of fatigue, joint pain on Lyme. Please explain.

    1. Unfortunately, there is much controversy surrounding Lyme disease, particularly around the persistence of symptoms post-treatment. Typically when caught and treated early, Lyme disease can be eradicated successfully with an appropriate course of antibiotics. However, some patients continue to experience symptoms even after treatment (estimates range up to 20% of patients) and symptoms can linger for months or even years. This condition is typically referred to as Post-Treatment Lyme Disease (PTLD).

      Some doctors will advocate continued antibiotics for PTLD, however, others cite concerns about the safety of long-term antibiotic therapy and argue that there is no definitive evidence that the persistence of the symptoms is due to residual bacteria (a situation complicated, in part, due to the inadequacy of current (indirect) diagnostic tools which measure the body’s response to the pathogen, rather than the pathogen itself). There is also no good data that says continued positive tests are just a result of previous infection and doctors can not assure whether it is a residual or a new infection anyway.

      In short, you may wish to consult a physician familiar with Lyme disease for more counsel. You may wish to refer to the International Lyme and Associated Diseases Society (ILADS) physician directory for referrals in your area. Best wishes.

  17. My daughter has been disabled by Lyme for several years. Her former employer’s disability carrier, UNUM, has stopped her benefits. The mental, physical and financial burdens have been horrific. She lives in VT. Do you know of any class action lawsuits she might join, especially in light of these new findings?

    Thank you for all you do. I will become a donor shortly.

    A friend of mine has a step-grandson whose blood was treated by dialysis and purified under a study the grandson says was at MGH Boston and “cured of Lyme.” I inquired and could not find the study at MGH. Supposedly Stanford was involved. Do you know anything about this study? Are you involved?

    1. Thanks for your comment. We are so sorry that your daughter and family have been hit by Lyme disease. We know how difficult it is in so many ways – financial, emotional, physical.

      There is currently a federal antitrust lawsuit against the large insurers that was filed in November 2017 and is still pending. You can find out more about it here. There are also some efforts on facebook trying to pull together community members interested in pursuing class-action but it is not an area of focus for Bay Area Lyme Foundation, whose primary mission is to support new scientific research for the diagnosis, treatment, and cure of Lyme disease.

      Regarding the treatment, there is no clinical trial for Lyme at MGH using the method you describe (which sounds like plasmapheresis) that we are aware of and this approach would probably not be advisable as Borrelia typically avoid the blood stream where there is too much oxygen for them. Your friend may be talking about intravenous immunoglobulin (IVIG) infusions, which are sometimes used by doctors specializing in tick-borne diseases (TBD). The method may be listed for some other indication — for autoimmune disease, for example.

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